A reader sent me a link to a recent letter to Dear Abby.  So while this isn’t the “typical” swing shift column where we answer questions from our readers, we thought that it would make a good post anyway.  The letter is as follows:

DEAR ABBY: Our friends “Andy” and “Corinne” live out of state in Michigan. We visit them about twice a year. Our visits are planned weeks in advance. The last three times, on Saturday night they hosted a “swingers party.”

The first time it happened we thought it was a joke, until the guests — after “tossing back a few” — started picking partners. We saw them begin to caress one another, then start going into other rooms and outside. One of the attendees came on to my wife. We informed him we’re not swingers. His response? He told us it was OK to “watch” the first time or two.

Abby, we’re not prudes, but we feel uncomfortable visiting these friends. We now return to our bedroom when the swingers arrive. In contrast, when Andy and Corinne come to visit us in Tennessee, we have dinner, play cards and go to church on Sunday.

We have spoken to them about this. They tell us they “keep their relationship fresh” this way. We don’t want to lose them as friends, but we don’t know what to do. Can you help? — SATISFIED WITH EACH OTHER

Abby’s response was as follows:

DEAR SATISFIED: I’ll try. Because you like Andy and Corinne every other day of the week when you visit them, schedule an outside activity — dinner and a movie, a play — anything that will get you out of their den of iniquity on Saturday night. Either that, or leave for home on Friday.

My first reaction reading this letter is that it is couples like this that give swingers a bad name.  To think that there are people in the lifestyle who would purposefully arrange to host a party on a night when they know that some non-swinger friends are visiting, not just once but 3 times just boggles my mind and is completely opposite of our experience.  Even when we attend hotel meet and greets, there is absolutely no pressure.  The very first party we went to, the hosts, knowing that it was our first party, went out of their way to make us feel comfortable and reassured us that there was no expectation that we would participate.  In fact, the website maintained by the couple that hosts our favorite parties states on the “Ground Rules” page: “If you are feeling comfortable, around 9PM, the event moves up to the party area” [this is after the social hour in the hotel bar] and “Then do your own thing and get comfortable. Remember it’s a no pressure atmosphere.”  We’ve seen this attitude in action, as “newbies” have attended parties we’ve been at and have just watched, talked with others, maybe play with each other, and we’ve NEVER seen anyone pressured to do anything they weren’t comfortable doing.

For some reason, it appears that some people assume that swingers are always looking for fuck whoever they meet, and unfortunately, our experience bears that out, to some extent.  Back in May when Veronica and I where in Seattle we were joined by our friends Emmy and Garbonzo for a few days.  Afterwards, directly and indirectly, we heard that some others who read both of our blogs were inquiring if this was “a swinging thing” or not.  Which to me assumed that anyone we meet as a result of our blogs is for the purpose of swinging.  Which of course is not true.  But it’s people like the ones who are the subject of this letter to Dear Abby that perpetuate the notion that swingers are somehow always trying to find couples to swap with.

I must say though, that I’m not entirely happy with Abby’s answer.  Why not confront the friends, tell them that you’re not comfortable with being put in that situation and don’t do it again?  Leaving for home early or scheduling something else to do just avoids the issue.  I think it would be better to directly confront their friends and talk about the uncomfortable situation they are putting them in.  But that’s just me…

Veronica:  Honestly when I read the letter I thought it was a fake sent in by some bored college students.  I just could not fathom any one popping a swingers party on an unsuspecting friend.  Even if we were not talking about common decency, most of the swingers I know are protective of their privacy as they know that swinging is not considered to be an acceptable lifestyle choice outside of the ‘lifestyle’.   Swingers are not constantly on the prowl looking for other people to fuck and generally would not spring their lifestyle on friends without making sure that they would be into the idea or curious about it first.

Feel free to comment on this post or send in any questions for us.  Hubman and I love your questions as they give us the opportunity to have some interesting dialog.  Questions can be submitted to hubman38ATgmailDOTcom.

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  • http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com Britni TheVadgeWig

    I had the same thought that you did. If they want to swing, fine, but if they know they have out of town friends that are visiting that are not in the lifestyle, why would they plan a party for that weekend? Why not, out of respect for their friends, not host a party the weekend that they have visitors in town?

  • http://paigesblogofnothing.blogspot.com/ Just Me..

    My question, if this was a legitimate Dear Abby question and not just someone screwing with Abby, why did the ‘uncomfortable’ friends return after the first visit? I mean, once is a surprise. The second visit, maybe they thought they made it clear they weren’t comfortable but didn’t..
    But the third visit? I’m thinking that the non-letter writing half of the ‘uncomfortable’ non-swinging friends is hoping that the other half will want to join in but was just too scared to ask it outright..
    Otherwise, why go back??! :)

  • http://chocdropspot.blogspot.com/ ChocDrop

    I agree, if the visiting friends were not comfortable with their friends actions, then why go back. On the other end of the scale, maybe they don’t play with others but just maybe the sounds of the party made them excited and they were able to use that as a catalyst in their own room. (Like listening to porn)

    You never know…..

  • http://amidlifescrises.blogspot.com Dana

    Well … jeepers! It sounds like the “uncomfortable” couple has already spoken to their friends without any resolution. I’m with you – talk to them again, this time being clear with boundaries (i.e. “We enjoy spending time with you but since there seems to be an issue in respecting our sexual boundaries when we visit you, we’ll need to keep all future visits at our home.”) Abby’s solution is quite passive-aggressive.

    Now, on the assumption “that swingers are always looking for fuck whoever they meet.” Don’t you think that is somewhat well earned in the blog world? I mean, how often do we read an infidelity blog, a sex blog, a swinger’s blog, etc. without getting content that is … well … infidelity, sex or swinging? You and ASM deviate from that generalization on occasion, but most don’t. I’m sure that – specifically with the Seattle visit – there were many assumptions made about your trip due to the HNT pic (with information on who took the photo) that was posted. Couple that with the predominant content of your blog and .. well? I have to wonder if – to a certain extent – part of the reaction you were hoping to get was, in fact, that illusion of wonder.

    Are the assumptions and generalizations correct? You are the only one who knows that and you chose to share (or not) based on many factors. I try to keep an open mind, realizing that you are writing to an audience … and not one of mommy bloggers *grin*

    • http://hubmanshangout.wordpress.com/ hubman38

      I think you make a very valid point about our Seattle trip, in that we did give some info that might lead someone to wonder about our activities, or lack thereof, with others. But at the same time, Veronica and I have had a blogger friend (and her young son) over our house for a barbeque, and I (without Veronica) joined her and her son at an airshow a few weeks ago. Also, I know that you know a mutual blogger friend who has visited us for a long weekend on more than one occasion. Both of these examples have also elicited speculation, without any foundation, as to what really happened. Because it does seem that some people always expect swingers to be looking to fuck whoever they meet, which is far from the truth.

      Hey, wait a second, you once spent a night in a hotel room with my wife! Hmm, maybe I need to talk with Veronica *wink*

      Sure, reading a sex blog you expect sex content, but I’d like to think that mine is a little different. How often on other blogs do you read about the misadventures and lessons learned from bad experiences?

      In any case, thanks for your comments!

      • http://wherewegetoff.blogspot.com Dharma

        See, Hubman, my intention when I started my blog was to include that sort of thing — the misadventures, the bad encounters, the funny shit, the embarrassing — as well as the hot, sexy details.

        But still, the primary content of my blog, even covering those aspects of sexual adventure, would still be sex. And so it feels awkward to me to think about including non-sex related stories there.

        Then I’m also left feeling a bit weird when I happen upon a “mommy-blog” through a link one someone’s blog roll (like ASM’s) and I go and comment on some non-sex related post on a non-sex related blog because then I’m concerned that the blogger in question is likely to check back on the links of her/his commentators and stumble, headlong and unwittingly into some pretty graphic material.

        It’s all so complicated sometimes.

  • http://aprilsrandomshowers.blogspot.com April

    Just because my mind tries to think of all the possibilities……I wonder if the wife of the guy who wrote the letter was talking to the other couple and was interested in the lifestyle. Maybe she was too scared to bring it up to her husband. So rather than bring it up, she thought it would be a better idea to just put in him that situation and see if he goes along with it?

    Or, the other couple is just inconsiderate. Whichever. ;)

    (please don’t take this to be a serious comment)

  • http://www.autumnmistspeaks.blogspot.com autumn

    wow! i’ve never been a swinger, but i’m with you. i cannot imagine springing it on someone. i’m sure you and veronica have many friends who you wouldn’t dream of bringing up the swinger lifestyle with. that’s just life. i agree that abby’s answer was skirting the issue. if my friends sprung it on me, i would definately discuss it with them. definately.

  • http://swingers-diaries.blogsot.com southern swinger

    My first thought when I read this was similar to yours but on some reflection I began to wonder if one member of the “straight” couple is trying to seduce the other into swinging and is conspiring with the swingers to have a party when the visits are planned. There is something strange going on here.

  • http://wherewegetoff.blogspot.com Dharma

    Assuming that a person or couple’s only outside interests in life are sex or sex-related (swinging, whatever) based simply on the fact that they write a sex-centric, swing-centric, poly-centric, open-relationship-centric blog is really not giving a whole lot of people who are really much more than the sum of their cum shots, ya know?

    I specifically don’t write about the other things that go on in my life because I think it would probably be a swift mood killed to insert an entry about my day with my toddler or running into an arch-enemy friend at the local Wal-mart in the middle of posts about getting off with my best friend in a church parking lot and the hot nights I’m anticipating when my boyfriend arrives, finally.

    I mean, wouldn’t it? I don’t assume that the people who write the blogs I read are solely interested in the next person they get to see naked, even if that’s all their blogs really contain. I guess I feel like it would be shallow of me to assume that these other bloggers were, well, that shallow, too. We all have outside lives, requirements, responsibilities, activities, enjoyments, etc. I hate the idea of thinking that any one reading my blog thinks that I’m only made up of the content of my blog. Yes, that’s certainly part of who I am, but it’s not all of me.

  • http://www.sexyptamom.blogspot.com Grace

    Well, if that question was legit, I agree with Southern Swinger’s speculation. I can’t imagine any of the people we knew as swingers doing anything like that. In fact, they were all pretty careful to keep it out of their “real” lives. I’m betting at least one of the partners in that couple were interested in swinging. I would have been mortified to have straight friends at a swing party. Who wants to feel judged?

    I also agree strongly with Dharma’s points. I try very hard to stick with the sexy, although it is such a minute portion of what is going on in my life, and of what is important to me. But it is a part I don’t necessarily get to share with friends, so a blog is a good place to let some of it hang out. :) I also refrain from commenting on some blogs I find myself connected to through mine, because they are very vanilla, and I don’t want to offend someone who is not looking for my kind of blog content.

  • http://hubmanshangout.wordpress.com/ hubman38

    You know, now that April, Southern Swinger, and Grace mentioned it, I think it’s a good chance that one half of the couple might be trying to get the other half interested in swinging. That’s the most plausible explanation that I’ve heard!

    For for all of your comments, they are always appreciated, even if I don’t reply to all of them!

  • Barney

    Wasn’t sure where to post my question… but here it goes.

    I’m going to do my best on posing this question delicately…

    It has been posted that Hubman cheated – after the two of you overcame whatever it was you needed to overcome is that when you started swinging?

    Veronica – did you find yourself agreeing to the lifestyle because of those actions, or because it genuinely appealed to you?

    I applaud both of you for working thru the difficult time in your lives and you sound like you truly love and care for one another… but as Ive remarked in the past – I have a male friend – whom I care deeply about and he’s into the lifestyle – part of me wants to experience it, but the other part of me thinks I have to in order to keep him interested. Do you feel that way?

  • http://www.redregioninferno.com/theinferno/ Inferno

    “swingers are always looking for fuck whoever they meet.”
    I must say that my personal guess is at least 3 out of 4 people who are not or have not been involved in the swingers lifestyle would assume that to be true.

    It is the one in ten or so swinging couples who are looking to fuck anybody they can that give all the other swingers that reputation.

   

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