This weeks questions come from a new reader who just found my blog a few weeks ago.  She wishes to remain anonymous, and I don’t even know if she has a blog of her own, so we’ll all just have to wonder who she is.  She and her hubby are thinking about getting into the lifestyle and had several questions for us:

Whats up with guys photos?  How come many couples don’t show the guy?  We put a few pics of both of us.  Should we do more of her?  Keep it even?  None of him?  Is it the allure of her, so people will then contact you, and have to ask for his?

And meeting another couple for the first time -  if you meet in public for say dinner or drinks.  Are you going dutch?  Offer to pay?

And if at dinner you really like a couple – do you have a signal you give each other that you each like the couple, so your ready to go farther?  Or do you not do anything on the first meet up?  We were thinking of some kind of sign so we didn’t need to go off together and talk about it.  kwim?  What do you and Veronica do?

Ok  and I think our last question.  What about blow jobs?  Condoms on? off?  depends?  if so …. I guess the non latex?

We think pictures are extremely important.  We’ve stated numerous times that for us swinging is really just sport-fucking and freely admit to only wanting to fuck good looking people.  After all, we like to think that we’re at least half-decent looking ourselves.

Veronica:  I like to see pictures of both the guy and the girl.  I think more profiles are skewed towards female photos, because men are usually the ones surfing the profiles.  This of course is not based on hard scientific fact, but rather the anecdotal evidence from chatting with couples.  For me, the whole process is kind of like shopping.  First I will check out the pictures of the girl, if I feel they match up with what Hubman likes (and I am rarely wrong), I then look at the pictures of the guy, if I like the guy, then I carefully read the profile.  I cannot emphasize enough the importance of reading the profile carefully.  If the profile is a match, I then call Hubman over for a consultation and if he agrees with my assessment, then I send the email.  (Want to know my opinion on crafting a good email?  Just ask.)   I also agree on the having sex with attractive people.  I am married to a very good looking man, I want to have sex with people that are at least as attractive (and well-endowed) as Hubman is.

1004081301aTo us, an ideal profile is one that shows several pictures of the woman and of the man.  Clothed is fine, we just like to see enough to know if they have good bodies and take care of themselves or not.  Some nekkidness is always good, but certainly not necessary.  Our Swappernet public picture gallery has 5 pictures.  There are 3 of Veronica, including the one at the left which is our main profile picture.  There is also another picture of her ass and one of her tits and upper body.  There are two of me, one from the front, partly dressed [remember my old Blogger avatar of me laying on the bed in a pair of black Calvins? That one] and one of me nekkid from behind.  Because I think Veronica isn’t the only one in the house with a nice ass *wink*

I’m immediately skeptical, and I’m not sure why, of the profile with a dozen pictures or more of her and none of him.  Something is up with that.  We certainly don’t expect to see a face picture in someone’s public gallery, as we don’t have one.  But you should either have face pictures in your private photo gallery or be willing to share one via e-mail before meeting for the first time.  We learned that lesson the hard way…  Our private gallery has more pictures, including two face pics of us together, plus pictures of Veronica sucking my cock and a full frontal nekkid [but not aroused] picture of me.  What we don’t have are any ridiculous close-ups of her pussy or of my cock.  I guess what we go for is sexy and revealing, but still tasteful.

Veronica: I like a tasteful picture.  I am not a big fan of cock shots.  One, I want to know about the whole package, not just the one in your pants and two, unless you have a cock that is large enough to need its own  zip code, I can’t gauge size if you are talented with camera angles unless you’ve got your manhood next to a ruler.  I also do not like gynecological  textbook quality shots of the ladies.  If I am going to see your pussy that close up, I want to have my tongue out and ready for action.

Meeting a couple for the first time, our preference and what we’ve always done is to meet for dinner and drinks somewhere.  That’s a good no-pressure way to meet and allows see if there is chemistry between us [because it's not ALL about looks!].  We’ve always gone Dutch on the check and never considered offering to pick up the whole tab, to tell you the truth.  If we were meeting a single individual, it might be different, but 2 couples, we’re just splitting the check.

Which brings us to our anonymous readers next question.  As a general rule, we don’t play on a first date.  We have before, and don’t regret doing so, but those are exceptions, and we let the couple we’re going to see for the first time know that before the date [keep in mind that there is nothing really unusual about our approach to first dates, as most of the couples we've known do the exact same thing].

We go on the date assuming that we’ll like the couple and will want to see them again.  Don’t forget, by this time we’ve seen pictures and chatted on the phone, so there is some connection already.  But, if it goes sour in person, Veronica and I have a code phrase.  If either of us utters the code phrase, that clearly communicates “in no way do I want to see these people again”.  If Veronica uses it, no matter how hot the woman is and how good of a connection she and I have, we won’t be getting nekkid together.  We DO NOT take one for the team- we’re both into the couple or not.  No “I’ll fuck her because she really wants to fuck him” for us.  That is one of our unbreakable rules.  Click here for a recent Swing Shift post about the pitfalls of not insisting on seeing their faces ahead of time, which is also a good example of time one of us invoked the code phrase.

Veronica:  If you take no other piece of advice away from Swing Shift, please make it the ‘no taking one for the team’ rule.  It can only lead to resentment and issues.

Lastly, about safe sex- don’t ask us.  Seriously, safe sex decisions are between you and your primary partner.  Long before Veronica and I ever fucked anyone else, we talked over various scenarios and decided what we’re comfortable with.  Rather than repeat what I’ve written before, I’d like to direct you to this post from last winter, which spells out our thoughts quite clearly, I think.  And I’d encourage you to read the comments on that post as well, as there was quite a good discussion.  There was also a short follow-up post here.

On a somewhat related note, Kimberly aka The Errant Wife wrote a great post about sex bloggers and condoms.  Click here to read it, if you haven’t already done so.

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Thanks to my anonymous reader for some great questions! I’m looking forward to any comments people leave today.  As always, feel free to leave additional questions in the comments section or e-mail me at hubman38 at gmail dot com if you’d prefer to remain anonymous.

Darling Boy are traveling home from Washington DC Monday, so I’ll respond to your comments when I get home later.  I also hope to write about the rest of the trip and share some more pictures of the sights and hopefully I’ll have that for Tuesday.

Oh, I almost forgot!!!  DB and I meet a blogger friend and her son for dinner on Sunday, the lovely April of April’s Random Showers!  She is even cooler [and better looking, if that's possible] in person, and she said she’s gonna write a post about our meeting.  I’ll be sure to link to it when she does!

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  • sa

    Very interesting. I know that you have sometimes the opportunity to see friends on your own: is this reciprocal ?

  • http://woodnotwood.blogspot.com T

    I keep trying to read, but V’s fine arse keeps distracting me.

    Of course you should both have equal time in front of the camera. It’s only far to us readers–but I can’t blame you one bit if you have a preference for being behind the camera when she’s in front of it. Who wouldn’t want to be her photographer? Still, I think you should give V the reins and let her have her photographic way with you. It would be awesome to see you through her eyes, to let her create the vision.

    Sorry I haven’t been around lately. Working and writing. Working more than writing unfortunately. Bah!

  • http://woodnotwood.blogspot.com T

    Adding you both to my twitter, yes I finally broke down and started one. Now I just have to figure out how to do that ‘blogs I follow’ thingy without handing over my creative non-conformity to google and blogger. Damn those widget mongers.

  • http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com Britni TheVadgeWig

    I am SO JEALOUS that you got to meet April! Like, SO JEALOUS.

  • http://swingers-diaries.blogsot.com southern swinger

    Could not agree more on the “whole team” rule. We had this from the very beginning. Too many pictures of the female, particularly exotic one, suggest the guy has a trophy he wants to show of and the pair will not be an exciting couple. I think most experienced swingers have code for communication at a first meeting. While we generally did not play on a first date, we at times did break this rule and it worked out. Meeting durning the week for dinner will generally take care of this situation. If you meet say 7:30 to 8:00 you can use the lateness of the hour, work tomorrow, etc. If you really like them set a date for the weekend.

  • sportyridr

    another great post guys, have you ever heard of this website http://www.couplesclick.tv/

  • http://aprilsrandomshowers.blogspot.com April

    I think you and V answered these questions very well. In my opinion, emphasis is placed on the woman because the woman of the couple looking would also like to be attracted to the woman of the couple. In many situations, don’t the women play together as well as playing with the each of the men? The men do not have to be attracted to each other, just to the woman of the other couple. But the woman would like to be attracted to both the man and woman of the other couple. Am I making sense? So the woman is the lure to attract both parties of the other couple, not just the man. However, I know that there are couples in which the woman does not play with women, so I’m not saying that my opinion applies to everyone. (It’s Monday morning and I’m extremely tired, so I hope this all made sense.)

    Britni: Don’t be jealous! One day I’ll meet you too. It’s on my Bucket List:
    (in no particular order)
    Travel to Europe
    Learn to play the piano
    Learn to speak Spanish fluently
    Meet Britni
    Have sex with Matthew McConaughey
    Learn how to fix cars

    hee hee. It was great meeting you and DB! He is adorable! (like his daddy)

    • http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com Britni TheVadgeWig

      I made THE BUCKET LIST? Major win!

      <3

  • http://playfullyyours.blogspot.com Playfully Yours

    You guys give such great advice. You always hope that the pics are up to date but sometimes they are not. Always establish the rules.
    I was a single woman in the swinging scene and in my experience, dinner and drinks were usually bought for me. Although, NEVER, did I assume that. I always went with the expectation of paying my way.
    I had a damn good time in the lifestyle. (I do miss it) Just do what feels right!!!

  • A & K

    Good advice……As newbies to this we have been treading water a bit with our first partners. In looking back it appears that they may not have been the best choice for us (they are friends). Thanks for your blog, it is so fun to read and learn through you guys…

  • Q

    I’m still wondering what the code phrase is that you use to bail on dates!

  • http://hubmanshangout.wordpress.com/ hubman38

    Sa- yes, we see friends on our own sometimes, but only in conjunction with travel. If I’m away, she’s free to see our friends without me. But she hasn’t. Yet. Meeting with April was not one of those instances, if that’s what you were implying.

    T- you see her photographs of me every week, if you visit on Thursdays!

    Britni- April really is very cool and we had a great time getting to know each other better. I’m a lucky guy to get to meet so many blog friends

    Southern Swinger- that’s a great point about having those first dates on a weeknight. Thanks for mentioning that

    Sportyridr- No, I’m not familiar with that site, but will check it out! Thanks!

    April- You make a good point about woman and pictures. And I think that you’re right in that bi-sexual (or at least bi-curious) woman outnumber straight women in the lifestyle. You (and your son) are pretty cute too ;-)

    Playfully Yours- I bet you had a great time in the lifestyle! A hot, single woman? Where’s a woman like you (or, where are you?) for Veronica and I?

    A&K- I’m glad to hear that you enjoy my blog. Thanks for the compliment.

    Q- I’ll share it with you privately. It’s actually quite innocuous.

  • http://sexyrunners.blogspot.com IM @ Sexy Runners

    I want to hear Veronica talk about how to write a good intro e-mail to a couple you are interested in.

    And on the flip side…..how do you politely “reject” someone……not that we would reject you two at all. Need to figure out when to make a trip your way.

    IM

    • http://hubmanshangout.wordpress.com/ hubman38

      You’re not the first person to ask about writing a good intro e-mail, so I think we’ll tackle that this coming week.

      As far as rejection goes, we just politely say “thanks, but no thanks” without being insulting. Two alternatives are “Sorry, you’re too far away” which may or may not be plausible and “Sorry, we’re happily involved with some playmates right now and don’t have time for any new friends”. Of course, none of these work if you initiated contact and then change your mind for whatever reason. We were in that situation once and just said something along the lines of “life as gotten crazy right now and we need to take a step back from swinging”. They got the point and never followed up with us.

   

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