twitterscreencapThanks to Britni for the inspiration for this weeks post!  Honestly, I’m surprised that after 4 months of writing this column, we have not addressed the issue of boundaries and how important they are.

When opening your primary relationship to other lovers, establishing and respecting boundaries is of utmost importance, in our opinion.  What seems like an eternity ago, but was really just early last year, when Veronica started looking for a woman to explore her bi-curiosity with, we established just a few boundaries:

  • Sexually, she was free to do whatever she wanted with another woman.  After all, she was looking to explore things she couldn’t do with me.  ‘Cause I don’t have tits or a pussy ;-)
  • I wanted to know who she was with and were they were going.  More for safety’s sake than anything else
  • I didn’t care if she went out in the evening, but no overnights.  It was important to me that the kids woke up with mom in the house, not wondering were she was
  • Details, after the date I wanted to know details.  Pictures would be good too.  Don’t dare tell me you’re surprised by this one!!

As we got into swinging, more boundaries were established.  For example, safe sex for vaginal and anal sex is a must.  No taking one for the team, ie fucking someone you’re not into just because your partner is really into their partner.  Veronica has declared that her ass is off-limits to everyone but me, so while some of you may lust after her ass, I’m the only one who gets to fuck it ;-)   But, she is fine with me having anal sex with another woman.  That dichotomy may seem odd to some of you, but it’s something we’ve agreed on, which is all that matters.

But the particulars of the boundaries that Veronica and I have established are a little off-point.

If you and/or your partner are considering playing with others, you can avoid trouble by establishing boundaries up front.  Back when we first started, our very first swap in fact, Veronica invited B to pull out and cum in her mouth.  That was a scenario we had failed to discuss and I was a little unhappy with her decision to let him do that. So after that night we continued our discussion of boundaries, in order to avoid a similar situation again.

Veronica: As we set and discuss our boundaries, it is part of the constant communication that we maintain as a couple.  If either of us wants to relax a boundary, (for example Hubman playing during travel without me) it’s something that we discuss during a relaxed time where we can focus on the conversation in a place where we feel comfortable having the discussion at a regular conversational volume.

Another issue that comes up is respecting the boundaries of another couple.  For example, there are couples out there that won’t kiss anyone except their primary partner.  That is fine for them and we would respect that boundary, but we also would not choose to play with them, because I would have a hard time getting turned on without kissing.

Hubman: Other boundaries are easier to work with.  She doesn’t like getting cummed on? No problem.  She only swallows for her hubby? Again, no problem.  But unless that is somehow communicated ahead of time, how would I know? But at the same time, I’m certainly not going to surprise a woman with a facial! We’ve read profiles that clearly states that the woman is into anal, but only with her hubby, so don’t ask.  We like profiles that aren’t shy about defining boundaries.

Veronica: I think that it is very important to have a discussion about boundaries with the couple you are going to play with before the play, especially if they are not specific on their profile or during chats or if they are new to the lifestyle.

Soft swap is another kind of boundary.  If someone is totally new to swinging and they want to start out having sex only with their primary partner in the same room as another couple having sex with their primary partner, but having oral sex with us, we would be fine with that.  However at some point we would want the swapping to switch from soft to hard and discontinue play with the soft only couple.

If you have specific boundaries that are non-negotiable than they should be listed on your profile  or brought up long before ANYONE is getting naked.  You might also find that as you continue in the lifestyle your boundaries might change and loosen as you get more comfortable.

Last week I was chatting on the phone with a blogger friend who is considering play outside of her marriage, with her husbands consent, but without him, at least for now.  As we were talking about desires, I asked her how much she has discussed boundaries with her hubby.  As it turned out, she said she might be interested in having anal sex with another man, but hadn’t mentioned that to her hubby.  I cautioned her that the time to find out that he doesn’t like that idea is after the fact.  Better to know before what he’s comfortable with her doing with others.

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As always, we value our readers feedback.  If you’re in some sort of open relationship, swinging or otherwise, how do you handle boundaries?  Have problems arisen because you unknowingly crossed a boundary, or your primary partner has? Have there been problems because your playmate(s) didn’t communicate their boundaries to you?

We’re always looking for topics to write about, so please leave your ideas in the comments or e-mail me at hubman38 at gmail dot com if you’d prefer to remain anonymous.

I think we needed this for our room in Las Vegas [more on that trip tomorrow]:

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  • http://playfullyyours.blogspot.com Playfully Yours

    I think the more boundaries you have up front the better things will go. Of course there are always those that you did not consider which leaves things up for further discussion.

    You two have great communication.

  • http://rtws.blogspot.com Emmy

    This touches squarely on what we believe is the most important aspect of swinging: communication! As you both say, discussing the boundaries, desires, and what is in and out of bounds must be properly discussed. And, I think, starting with what is in and out of bounds in your own relationship sexually is a good place to start. As you have mentioned, anal is one thing Veronica doesn’t do because you discussed it.

    Boundaries DO evolve over time as you mention with a couple of your examples. It is easy at first to say, “I would absolutely not allow XYZ”, but after you are in a situation, you may decide your assumption about why that boundary should exist is not an issue with that person and/or couple or at all. I know we’ve seen that happen for us, thus reinforcing for us that it is not a one time discussion but an ongoing one.

    Lastly, the point you make about communication with the other couple is critical as well. Our favorite couple we play with was so incredibly upfront with their boundaries, that it was one of the reasons we liked getting to know them. We never felt like there were hidden agendas or cards that could create a bad situation or unwanted drama. They were clearly on the same page, they had clearly discussed it all, and they made sure their boundaries were clear to everyone. We, in turn, did the same.

    Our one bad experience with a couple was all due to bad communication all around. They were not clear on boundaries. It was clear they were not on the same page. It was just incredibly frustrating & ultimately led to us being happy things didn’t work out. I sensed that drama would have followed had we continued.

    In my opinion, this is one of the most important topics you could have posted about. Great post!

  • http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com Britni TheVadgeWig

    I’m glad you wrote this post, and not just because I suggested it!

    My boundaries have changed as my partners have changed. I’ve been with people that I would not allow to penetrate another woman, but oral was okay. I’ve had partners that everything was okay as long as I was in the room. I’ve had partners that could do as they wished, even without me present, as long as I knew about it.

    The common thread with all these scenarios was that it had been discussed and agreed upon beforehand. And that is what’s most important.

    Each couple with have different limits and boundaries. And they may not know what they are until they have a few “bloopers.” But discussing what is and is not okay beforehand is of the utmost importance and limits fights, disagreements, and jealousy as much as possible. Nothing is worse than getting into something that’s supposed to be “fun” with your partner and watching as your stomach sinks as they do something that really, really upsets you.

  • http://amorouschick.blogspot.com Amorous Rocker

    Great question and really great response. I think boundaries, discussing those boundaries and good communication in general are all keys in a successful relationship of any sort.

  • NY Diva

    You know, reading these columns I’m realizing that you just need to take good relationship habits and extend them beyond the primary relationship (such as communication and boundaries in this question). Then again, people often suck at these things in a primary relationship so I can see how problems could arise in a swinging situation.

  • T

    I played with a couple once, without setting these boundaries up front.

    Eesh. Yep, it did get weird. I’m not sure I’d do it again but I definitely agree with setting the rules up front!

  • http://thedirtysideofus.wordpress.com The Dirty Side Of Us

    Great post Hubman :)

    As things in our relationship are developing and changing we are now being so open and talking so much more about these boundries.

    I also really think telling the others you want to play with what you will and will not do is so important!

    A big thank you for bringing this information to our attention and opening us up for a lot of communication.

  • http://sexxxcapades.blogspot.com/ SeXXXcapades

    This is definitely something we talked about before our first swap but have sense eliminated some or a lot of the boundaries because we feel more comfortable after our first experience, even though it didn’t end ideal.

    Knowing boundaries for the other couple as well makes things a lot less weird and made me feel more comfortable. Communication is key with your partner and the other couple before the swap takes place.

    Thanks for the article, awesome job! Would love to see more about swapping as it definitely will help us in our journey as well…

  • http://cellobiscuit.blogspot.com Salt and Pepper

    Excellent suggestions on establishing boundaries. We may be going to a meet and greet party in a couple of weeks and while we have already discussed boundaries, it was some time ago and it would probably be a good idea to revisit those.

  • Mg

    Wow,I was working on a post regarding this exact subject! Not with your perspective of course,more of my newbie observations after talking over the weekend with my wife and a couple we know. Excellent advice,as always. Gave me some ideas on things I hadnt thought to discuss with my wife yet.

  • http://aprilsrandomshowers.blogspot.com April

    Please tell my why your posts on Mondays always get me horny?

  • http://topaz-gemology.blogspot.com Topaz

    “it’s something we’ve agreed on, which is all that matters.”
    - the most poignant line ever.
    When I started to date H… we talked openly about our sexuality, our likes, our dislikes, our wants.
    But somehow, he started clamping up, getting jealous, and I don’t know how, but I can’t discuss sexuality beyond ‘us’ now – I do keep suggesting we go to a strip club together, but it continuously gets back benched… I just want him to get a lap dance while I watch. I feel like that’s a good step, because I don’t know how else to resume that comfort we once had, so we could have ‘something we agree on’…

    Thanks for posting :-)

  • http://sexyrunners.blogspot.com IM @ Sexy Runners

    Great post. BC and I have to go back and discuss our “boundaries” some more. Things always are a changin’.

  • John

    Hub–love the door sign, but from what you have said so far about your trip to Vegas there don’t seem to be enough figures on the Do Not Disturb sign.

  • http://aprilsrandomshowers.blogspot.com April

    @John: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

  • http://advizortoall.blogspot.com advizor54

    My wife and I have very distinct boundaries. I don’t have sex with her, she doesn’t have sex with me. Very clearly communicated…..

    (OK, we have sex once in a while, but I couldn’t resist)

    I think this post is a fascinating one. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

   

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